Thursday, July 06, 2006

Is The Episcopal Church really as postmodern as she thinks?

Gene Robinson

The main focus of the General Convention this year in the Episcopal Church was the issue of homsexuality and the Anglican Communion's response to America's lack of respect (or prophetic movements) concerning the election of V. Gene Robinson as bishop of New Hampshire. It has become somewhat of a debate between liberals and conservatives (obviously there were cross-overs, but not many) and a debate between the "progressive" movement and the "traditional" movement. Interestingly enough the traditional side is always having to fight off charges of not being "with the times" or "postmodern" in its theology and philosophy because it is stuck on the old ways. I won't argue anything about the gay and lesbian issue nor why believing in the traditional position can be done by both "modern" and "postmodern" thinkers. What I thought was most interesting as a resolution showing how pathetically modern the Episcopal Church really is was a resolution on evolution. Here it is:

"A129 : Affirm Creation and Evolution
Resolved, the House of Deputies concurring, That the 75th General Convention affirm that God is Creator, in accordance with the witness of Scripture and the ancient Creeds of the Church; and be it further, Resolved, That the theory of evolution provides a fruitful and unifying scientific explanation for the emergence of life on earth, that many theological interpretations of origins can readily embrace an evolutionary outlook, and that an acceptance of evolution is entirely compatible with an authentic and living Christian faith; and be it further Resolved, That Episcopalians strongly encourage state legislatures and state and local boards of education to establish standards for science education based on the best available scientific knowledge as accepted by a consensus of the scientific community; and be it further Resolved, That Episcopal dioceses and congregations seek the assistance of scientists and science educators in understanding what constitutes reliable scientific knowledge."

To be honest, I like most of this resolution even though I do not affirm the classic Darwinian natural selection scheme, but it is the last part I want to draw attention to. Up until this point everything was going fine but, predictably, the classic modernist "gods of science" clause is brought in.

"Seeking assistance of scientists and science educators in understanding what constitutes reliable scientific knowledge."

Now I am not quite sure what scientists they are thinking about in this resolution, so I have to at least show a measure of charity here. If those in mind are the likes of Robert John Russell, Nancey Murphy, and John Polkinghorne (all distinguished scientists as well as orthodox Christians) then I hearilty endorse this resolution. I wish Nancey Murhpy was deciding school educational content in the sciences! What I fear is that the "scientists and science educators" are the same autonomous group of "gods" who seem to be neutral and unbiased in their pursuit and command of absolute truth.

Give me a break. Has no one in the house of bishops or house of deputies being involved in the philosophy of science and knowledge in the last hundred years? Has anyone in their read or understood Michael Polanyi's work on the personal element to all knowledge, or the issues of warrant that Alvin Plantinga has been so keen to point out? Are there actually educated people out there who think there is a group of neutral scientists just searching for truth who can be brought in to adjudicate on whether something is "scientific" enough for school or most importantly in this context, church teaching?

Sorry, call me a Van Tillian, but the last thing I want is some atheist telling me what constitutes scientific knowledge and what doesn't. As Matheson Russell pointed out to me this year: "Scientists don't have any idea what they are doing [philosophically]." The myth of scientific neutrality keeps rearing its ugly head for some reason when it has been quite conclusively shown that there is no such thing. Everyone does their work from certain presuppositions and if they are not Christian ones, I don't care what subject you are studying, your opinion in what is true is just not that binding on the Church. Coming to recognize our own indebtedness to certain traditions and basic beliefs in our horizons is one of the greatest things about "postmodernity." The demon of objective absolutivity outside of a certain reference frame has been defeated, why do we still give him any says?

Everyone who knows me (or Van Til's philosophy) knows this does not mean relativism; it just means being honest about our presuppositions and how they govern our beliefs (scientific or otherwise). Just in case anyone doubts in the influence of "religious" beliefs on all scientific work, look at the case of consciousness in modern physics and science in general. Those who are committed to a non-Theistic or more pointedly, a reductionistic account of nature are really fighting the evidence of non-physicality in the mind over the brain, which has been quite seriously advocated by the likes of Kurt Godel, Roger Penrose, John von Neumann, and John Eccles, to name a few. No matter what evidence is shown for non-physical descriptions of the mind and reality, people like Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett are going to continue to sing a different tune. But they would be naive to say they are singing only because of "objective" facts. Their own non-Theistic presuppositions are weighing in heavily in the determination of what is "scientific" and what is "supperstitious." Again, I am sorry but I have no time for someone who is deciding what is "scientific", or "true reality" when their basic conception or reality is so flawed (no belief in the Triune God).

I think the "scientists and science educators" bring certain things to the table of dialogue and search for truth that are important and so I appreciate their contribution in furthering the conversation of reality; but as far as deciding what is "scientific" in the broadest sense, no thank you. I will take someone who can to the research they can and has the right presuppositions with which to do it. Calvin needs to be remembered: you can't see the world aright unless you are wearing proper glasses. These people certainly aren't.

So I find it interesting that the Episcopal Church totes the label "postmodern" to its advantage in the gay and lesbian issue, but rejects it completely in the area of scientific research and education. Tom Wright's comments about the homosexual response seem to be continuously appropriate: "This sounds like a straightforward attempt to have one's cake and eat it [too]."



14 Comments:

At 7:34 pm, Blogger Hans-Georg Gadamer said...

Just a few comments:

1. Getting back on the horse is tough!

2. A plug for Matheson Russell's intro on Husserl - excellent!

3. Blogger is being stupid and after 30 minutes of insanity it decided that I could have the post, but not with any images. Any suggestions?

 
At 7:18 am, Blogger CharlesPeirce said...

Great post--I think you went too far, though, with this:

Again, I am sorry but I have no time for someone who is deciding what is "scientific", or "true reality" when their basic conception or reality is so flawed (no belief in the Triune God).

You should have ended right after this:

Their own non-Theistic presuppositions are weighing in heavily in the determination of what is "scientific" and what is "supperstitious."

You made the point: let's show our cards and be honest. And it was a good point, a solid point; a point I like to make. But then you weakened your argument by asserting almost that necessarily their outlook is marred by the fact that they're atheistic or agnostic or whatever. Right? Right. To sum up: your point stood, and was correct, and didn't need that last piece. That's my only quibble. Other than that, hard hitting and brilliant as usual. Silly church!

 
At 7:37 am, Blogger Hans-Georg Gadamer said...

Charles - I hear you and acknowledge that I used some strong language which may not have been necessary, but I was trying to stay in character of the Christian vs. non-Christian philosophy scheme of Van Til.

I think if I had left it at the "showing cards" level it would not have been explicit that for Christians non-Triune cards are unacceptable in the grand scheme of things; or at least for deeper knowledge of reality. I guess I skipped a few steps between the "weighing heavily" and "so flawed" comments, but just showing cards sounds like non-Theists are on the same footing as Theists in knowledge, which I would refuse. But I take your point and don't think it is absolutely necessary to go the whole way.

 
At 9:12 am, Blogger RJ said...

Excellent post!! I think you did a great job of containing your argument and not diving down the numerous tangents available, and you've made a good solid point.

Yet I also have to echo some of Charles' point, which I'm sure you would assume, and I'll do it simply by saying this: while I'd prefer a triune scientist, I'd rather learn physics from an atheist who understood einsteinian motion but didn't believe in God than a zealous Christian who only grasped the basics of Newton. And I'm sure you would too. Now, if your point is limited to saying triune knowledge is necessary in "determining what is scientific", and not to general knowledge/teaching at large, I can agree; but in that wider sphere I think appropriate attention needs to be given to the modernist assertion that atheist scientists still know something about science and this balanced against their obviously flawed world view.

 
At 10:48 am, Blogger Hans-Georg Gadamer said...

Redness - right on! I agree with your sentiments. The doctrine of common grace covers the fact that unbelievers actually know things (you don't need to know about the Trinity in order to understand oribital motion). I think the Triune physicist (I like the sound of that!) who knows Einteinian physics is preferable to the atheist physicist who knows the same since the first has a "deeper" understanding of reality, but this may have only a small effect on actual knowledge content.

Now the Triune Quantum physicist is another matter since Bohmian vs. Copenhagen interpretations bring presuppositions to the table with avengence, but that is another matter.

 
At 6:44 pm, Blogger Charlie J. Ray said...

It's refreshing to find another Anglican who is also a Calvinist and Reformed!

I have a Reformed Anglican blog, too. http://reasonablechristian.blogspot.com/

 
At 8:28 pm, Blogger Hans-Georg Gadamer said...

Charlie - thanks for stopping by! There seem to be more and more Reformed Anglicans around these days. Anyone else in?

 
At 6:10 am, Blogger Mair said...

Good post. Well-written. (sounds like I'm grading a paper, so I'll get to the point). I just read this book review yesterday and your post reminded me of it. Francis S. Collins (director of the Human Genome Project) has just published a book called 'The Language of God', in which he asserts that belief in God is complementary to the principles of science. It sounded like a really interesting book from a very prominent scientist - and one who is obviously willing to own up to his own commitments and throw the myth of neutrality out the window. You might want to check it out.

 
At 2:18 pm, Blogger Justin said...

Pssh... you silly Van Tillian.

Anyway, great post.

 
At 8:25 am, Blogger JMC said...

"Everyone does their work from certain presuppositions and if they are not Christian ones, I don't care what subject you are studying, your opinion in what is true is just not that binding on the Church."

I think that is exactly right and very well put. It isn't so much that that, without proper presuppositions, good science is impossible (which seems to me Van Til's very Modern contention), but it's that the authority of presuppositions is wrapped up in the authority of any claim. With regards to the Church, the authority of any claims from those outside Her is substantially reduced.

Good work. Now, how does this relate to gay priests and bishops?

 
At 7:17 am, Blogger Cynthia R. Nielsen said...

I thoroughly agree with your point about scientists (and anyone else) not coming to the "facts" in a neutral fashion, and as you point out many educated people in the field of philsophy of science have recognized that point (e.g., Kuhn and others). I aslo think that the added explication of the doctrin of common grace is extremely helpful and crucical in these discussions. In addition, pointing out VT's reason for stating that there are no "brute facts" or "neutral" and hence uninterpreted facts is also crucial. For VT all facts proclaim God and are provacatively put, "biased" from the start. Thus, your point about VT's view not ending in relativism is supported because the facts do have an ultimate meaning as they are anthropomorphically speaking already "pre-interpreted" by God himself.

Kind regards,
Cynthia

p.s. Thanks for linking me; however, my last name is spelled "Nielsen" and I am wondering if you would consider listing me as "Per caritatem" (Cynthia Nielsen) instead of "Philosophical Calvinism." Many thanks.

 
At 7:43 am, Blogger Hans-Georg Gadamer said...

J. Morgs - I think it means they can only work at Starbucks.

Cynthia - sorry about the spelling mishap and changes made accordingly. Thanks!

 
At 8:12 am, Blogger Cynthia R. Nielsen said...

Dear "Hans",

Thank you!

Warm regards,
Cynthia

 
At 6:28 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think you should have at least mentioned Newbigin in this...

 

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